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Surely Loomer, Vance and TFFG are criminally liable for incitement to violence, 18 USC sec. 373?

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Right on the mark. This is the explanation needed to expose what these vile people are doing. It doesn’t take a genius at the post-doc level to understand that this demonstrates the very fraught behavior of the interlocutors and have nothing to do with immigration, Haitians, or even Springfield, OH. The truth is that this episode serves to illustrate how sick and twisted the character of Trump/Vance is, it demonstrates their lack of morals and the depravity of their character. That ought to be the emphasis on the MSM coverage of the events, which has nothing to do with immigration, legal or otherwise. This sad chapter illustrates how vile Trump and Vance are, anything else is a great privilege to the lie and a great disservice to our country.

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Where are "regular" folk in OH, speaking out for their Haitian neighbors, co-workers and friends?

Where are they?

Why hasn't the woman (she admitted who she was today) who started this lie, been investigated for insidious lies in her FB feed over, what, the past 9 years? What else has she lied about that have harmed, threatened other people?

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'Conquer with love': Springfield community shows support for Haitian neighbors

https://dayton247now.com/news/local/conquer-with-love-springfield-community-shows-support-for-haitian-neighbors

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Great piece. My question is, what has to be done to act as a deterrent to the people making the threats? Follow up, arrest, try & punish. Then what? Publicize the convictions? Show the clear links to a Trump? What else?

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Yes, a great article! I believe that the quickest way to spread the word is through social media and I'm sure that it is being used, but we need the dedication to goodness to rival that of the Russians fixation on fertilizing chaos! I think Kamala is on the right track to focus, as you stated, on the incarnate evil of J.e.D. Vance and the Orangeman cult, to follow-up on these assaults on normalcy and logic that result in situations like Springfield!

I am somewhat consoled that the off-camera celebrating at Mar al LargeLie can only be compared to the parties on the Titanic, as an iceberg named Harris towers above the ship, ignored by all!

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All agreed, but I think you've missed an important and even crucial factor: FOX and OAN and the like are the underlying drivers that keep the movement alive and infused with the madness.

A considerable portion of the MAGA universe is well aware of many of his many shortcomings. It doesn't matter. What matters to them is that he opposes, and infuriates, the sinister Democrats that are setting entire cities on fire every day and poisoning the drinking water with contrails in the sky. They're not motivated by a coherent ideology, but by the not-quite coherent but endlessly fascinating fantasy in which they are rewarded for their loyal support. Of whom or what? If you don't already know, you're a commie demonrat, it's so obvious. Everybody says so, everybody knows. They know because of the Gish-galloping echo chamber of Murdoch and Sinclair media, even if the specifics are unclear about anything but the shape and origin of the enemy.

Without this daily stimulation, their fervor would subside into less immediate memory, the gaps could be filled by some broader reasoning about broader events. Again, I agree with what you've said in this article, I just think the essential role of right-wing media in this conflagration of bigotry and fury should be recognized, too.

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This is going down right now, btw.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/15/nx-s1-5113155/murdoch-family-trust-fox-news-succession

"The court battle is about money and power, but also whether Fox News should remain relentlessly partisan and right-wing as part of a business plan to yield the best results."

Relentlessly partisan and right-wing as part of a business plan. It's profitable because it's effective. Not excusing NYT's garbage but they're small beans by comparison; and Shapiro's and Sulzberger's motives are obviously financial.

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It was Vance himself started the Haitian thing over 2 months ago in’s banking committee hearing ! Probably why the Orange Caesar chose him.

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This incident points to the beginning of the next civil war. Trump is going to continue to disparage immigrants with lies and he words will cause violence. Too many examples of this like what happened with Paul Pelosi, and January 6 to name a few. He is not responsible nor will he hold himself responsible for what happens as a result of his hate speech. The judge in the hush money trail had to put him under a gag order because of his history of creating violence with his fans through his targeting people. I am a staunch beliver in the constitution and honor the first amendment. However I am not clear how we can hold The orange asshole to account if he continues to invoke violent acts.

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I cancelled my NY Times recently when I saw their article on Melaniacholy's book, expressing her concern about the injustices brought upon her poor husband, not wondering where she gets her take on "real happenings"?; putting on her makeup at her vanity table??

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I think Vance keeps a copy of the 25th amendment in his back pocket. To misquote Shakespeare -

"I think yon Crassus has a lean and hungry look".

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I finally figured out why the MSM repeats DT's "comments" i.e. lies. "We were only following orders"

We've heard that before.

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